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#168950: "Add a "turn taken" counter to the stats"

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2025년 May 12일 22:16 • Monkeyunit • 아직 개발자가 분석하지 않은 제안입니다:

In a game where players can take between 33 and 12 turns *( or something, didn't do the exact math) this is relevant.

2025년 May 13일 01:58 • Kayvon • 아직 개발자가 분석하지 않은 제안입니다:

> I understand this should be the same for all players

We can make it a table statistic if there's enough interest. It wouldn't be a player stat because, as you noted, it's the same for all players.

I'll leave this open to gauge interest.

2025년 May 13일 08:27 • Monkeyunit • 아직 개발자가 분석하지 않은 제안입니다:

It is the same for all players during a game, but not the same for one player over multiple games.
So average turns could still be a player statistic right?

2025년 May 13일 08:28 • Monkeyunit • 아직 개발자가 분석하지 않은 제안입니다:

If I were starting a game, and I see my opponent has a 15 turn average, and I have a 19 turn average I know the opponent will probably sail a lot faster than I usually do.

2025년 May 13일 13:54 • Kayvon • 아직 개발자가 분석하지 않은 제안입니다:

> So average turns could still be a player statistic right?

No, that's not how BGA stats work. They only pertain to the single instance of the game.

> If I were starting a game, and I see

You don't see stats until the game concludes because, as mentioned, they only apply to that instance, so there's nothing to measure before it starts.

2025년 May 14일 09:56 • Monkeyunit • 아직 개발자가 분석하지 않은 제안입니다:

I don't understand the difference.

When I am in an Ark Nova game, I can check my opponents stats on Ark Nova and see all their average stats on Animals players, certain actions upgraded etc.

And in a pirates game I can see my opponents stats as well, like:
Residences built 1.53

Is it really that different because number of turns is the same for all players for a certain game?

2025년 May 14일 14:29 • Kayvon • 아직 개발자가 분석하지 않은 제안입니다:

You see these stats at the END of the game, right? You don't see anything until the game concludes.

For statistics that are the same for all players, they should be considered TABLE statistics. If they differ by player, they are PLAYER statistics. I will not implement a player statistic if it's going to be the same for all playerse because that's precisely what the table statistic is intended for.

2025년 May 31일 06:14 • DrakeStorm • 아직 개발자가 분석하지 않은 제안입니다:

I would like to know how many turns the game was. Interesting to know how many quests got completed in a fast or slow game. How many ship upgrades, etc. Also overall score vs turns. I could look back at older games and see if I am doing better, but you can't really tell since the score will be related to number of total turns.

2025년 Sep 29일 08:22 • frotes • 아직 개발자가 분석하지 않은 제안입니다:

would definitely love to see this stat. there is a big different between games that go long and ones that are rushed, it's a very interesting stat to review

2025년 Sep 30일 14:59 • Corwin007 • 아직 개발자가 분석하지 않은 제안입니다:

The players don't all get the same number of turns, depending on who finishes which round. You can have 1 or 2 turns difference between the counts. Maybe 3 as well? Not sure. Right now I just look at the number of "[name] sails to" for each player. And yes, it would be interesting to see the turn average per player.

Out of curiosity I looked at Harmonies, which has equal turns per player. The stat is counted as a table stat at the end of the game (as 2X turns) and as a player stat as well (X turns), and there are averages per player in the overall stats. So the precedent does exist. However in Pirates this isn't even a problem because as I said you can have different numbers.

2025년 Sep 30일 15:29 • Kayvon • 아직 개발자가 분석하지 않은 제안입니다:

> The players don't all get the same number of turns

They don't? Will you provide a firm example?

It *doesn't* matter who finishes each round. If you finish a round, the following player immediately takes the next turn at the beginning of the next round. So it seems to me that everyone gets the same number of turns.

> So the precedent does exist

The precedent of other people handling things incorrectly doesn't concern me. If the number is the same for everyone, it's a table stat, not a player stat.

2025년 Sep 30일 15:58 • Corwin007 • 아직 개발자가 분석하지 않은 제안입니다:

Oh, the log actually adds the resets and "sails to" again, so some "turns" are counted twice because of undo. So it's not an accurate count, and you do have same number of turns. Interesting.

I do understand that it matters to count items in the correct place. But the game length is player driven, with some players moving quickly, others slowly, so it's still an interesting stat to track averages for. I understand if it's technically not correct to include it in the player stat, but functionally it makes a lot of sense. In GWT for example you can have 1 turn difference between players, but it's not that one turn that makes the difference in the averages, it's how fast a player usually moves in their games. Same thing in Ark Nova, it has at most 1 turn difference between players, yet averages will still give a lot of information about a player (even more there, because crossing 100 vp really fast usually means a win).

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