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#63261: "Timer penalty unfair "
#63261: "Timer penalty unfair "
rejected: 개발자는 이 제안이 좋지 않거나 이점에 비해 너무 많은 노력이 들어간다고 생각합니다
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제안: 이 기능을 사용하면 아마 게임 구축을 크게 향상시킬 수 있을 것입니다
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• 만약 오류 메세지가 화면에 나타났다면, 그 오류 메세지를 복사해서 붙여넣어 주시기 바랍니다.
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
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• 무엇을 하고 싶었고, 무엇을 했고, 무슨 일이 일어났는지를 설명해 주십시오
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
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• 최대한 쉽게 그 뜻을 이해할 수 있도록 당신의 제안을 정확하고 명료하게 설명해 주십시오.
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Safari v15.4
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• 당신이 막혔을 때 화면에 무엇이 나타났습니까?(검은 화면? 게임 인터페이스? 오류 메시지?)
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Safari v15.4
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• 어느 규칙이 BGA 서비스에서 존중되지 않았습니까?
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
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• 게임 리플레이에서 룰 위반을 확인할 수 있습니까?만약 그렇다면, 몇번째 수에서 룰 위반이 있나요?
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Safari v15.4
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• 당신이 하고 싶었던 게임 내 행동이 어느 것입니까?
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
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• 이 게임 행동을 하기 위해 무엇을 시도했습니까?
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• 당신이 이것을 하려고 했을 때 무슨 일이 일어났습니까?(오류 메시지, 게임 상태창 메시지 등)
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Safari v15.4
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• 어떤 부분에서 문제가 발생 하였나요(문제가 발생했을 당시 어떤 지시가 내려졌었나요)?
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
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• 당신이 게임 행동을 하려 했을 때 무슨 일이 일어났습니까?(오류 메시지, 게임 상태 막대 메시지, ...)
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Safari v15.4
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• 디스플레이 문제를 설명해주세요. 만약에 버그에 대한 스크린샷을 가지고 계신다면 Imgur.com 사이트에 업로드 하시고, 여기에 링크를 복사/붙여넣기 하시기 바랍니다.
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Safari v15.4
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• 최대한 쉽게 그 뜻을 이해할 수 있도록 당신의 제안을 정확하고 명료하게 설명해 주십시오.
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Safari v15.4
보고 이력
2022년 Apr 20일 23:40 • goldensmith • 아직 개발자가 분석하지 않은 제안입니다:
My last turn (right before the game ended) Was a very long turn…the actions I took caused me to keep drawing & playing cards. I was actively playing the entire turn. I couldn’t have even ended my turn early because of the required turn actions. I was playing fast and reading cards as I received them. Didn’t notice the timer warning on the right side because I was concentrating and playing.
But I received a time out penalty. So frustrating to receive this when the game design (changing rules) caused the turn to be extended. When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
I contacted BGA support:
Thanks for playing on Board Game Arena.
It sounds like the timer length for this game needs to be rethought. Please consider making a report using our tracker tool boardgamearena.com/bugs with the table number and explanation of the time-out penalty. This way, the developer will be notified directly with all appropriate information. Please give as many details as possible on what happened! It really helps.
I have removed the penalty.
But I received a time out penalty. So frustrating to receive this when the game design (changing rules) caused the turn to be extended. When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
I contacted BGA support:
Thanks for playing on Board Game Arena.
It sounds like the timer length for this game needs to be rethought. Please consider making a report using our tracker tool boardgamearena.com/bugs with the table number and explanation of the time-out penalty. This way, the developer will be notified directly with all appropriate information. Please give as many details as possible on what happened! It really helps.
I have removed the penalty.
2022년 Apr 21일 20:27 • wolmot • 개발자가 이 제안에 대한 더 자세한 정보를 요청했습니다:
Hi, I tried to check your game but it looks like the timer issue wasn’t on this table you logged the bug for?
By any chance did you join a game with the table option set to “fast”?
Anyway, extra time is indeed added only at the start of the player turn.
So I do acknowledge that for first time players that need to read all the cards in detail, this might pose challenges with high Draw/Play counts and lot of actions being played.
But on the other hand, with the first few turns with only Draw 1/Play 1 or when you just play a Keeper, there should be plenty of turns that literally only take up 2 seconds so you build a lot of time reserve.
I am afraid that adding extra player time on every rule change or action played or whatever, would also have negative effects.
Players would get way too much time, which could also lead to complaints of other players waiting for long thinking turns - when Fluxx should just be quick and fun.
All in all, this is the first time in more than 200.000 Fluxx games played that we get this comment.
So for the moment, I believe it is best to leave it as it is.
By any chance did you join a game with the table option set to “fast”?
Anyway, extra time is indeed added only at the start of the player turn.
So I do acknowledge that for first time players that need to read all the cards in detail, this might pose challenges with high Draw/Play counts and lot of actions being played.
But on the other hand, with the first few turns with only Draw 1/Play 1 or when you just play a Keeper, there should be plenty of turns that literally only take up 2 seconds so you build a lot of time reserve.
I am afraid that adding extra player time on every rule change or action played or whatever, would also have negative effects.
Players would get way too much time, which could also lead to complaints of other players waiting for long thinking turns - when Fluxx should just be quick and fun.
All in all, this is the first time in more than 200.000 Fluxx games played that we get this comment.
So for the moment, I believe it is best to leave it as it is.
2022년 Apr 23일 00:46 • goldensmith • 개발자가 이 제안에 대한 더 자세한 정보를 요청했습니다:
Hi @wolmat that links to the correct game.
BGA removed the penalty when I appealed it.
Here are some screenshots from the log that include the time stamps & I added comments on Imgur for some of the screenshots.
Note: max time is 3:18, I’m not sure if that is a normal speed?
imgur.com/a/IolrJJY
BGA removed the penalty when I appealed it.
Here are some screenshots from the log that include the time stamps & I added comments on Imgur for some of the screenshots.
Note: max time is 3:18, I’m not sure if that is a normal speed?
imgur.com/a/IolrJJY
2022년 Apr 23일 03:11 • goldensmith • 개발자가 이 제안에 대한 더 자세한 정보를 요청했습니다:
I don’t understand how the clock works. These are the times I see mentioned when I change a new game setting between slow, normal & fast.
“Game speed" changes to: Real-time • Slow speed:
Slow +1:18, Max 4:54 08:07 PM
"Game speed" changes to: Real-time • Normal speed:
Normal +0:49, Max3:27 08:08 PM
"Game speed" changes to: Real-time • Fast speed:
Fast +0:31, Max 2:33
But the game I linked here shows a max time of 3:18. So that doesn’t seem to match any of the times listed on the game setup screen?
“Game speed" changes to: Real-time • Slow speed:
Slow +1:18, Max 4:54 08:07 PM
"Game speed" changes to: Real-time • Normal speed:
Normal +0:49, Max3:27 08:08 PM
"Game speed" changes to: Real-time • Fast speed:
Fast +0:31, Max 2:33
But the game I linked here shows a max time of 3:18. So that doesn’t seem to match any of the times listed on the game setup screen?
2022년 Apr 23일 07:52 • wolmot • 개발자가 이 제안에 대한 더 자세한 정보를 요청했습니다:
Ok, my mistake, I don’t know why I didn’t notice the timer penalty remark.
Anyway, your logs indeed show that you had multiple times in that turn where it took 20, 30 or even 40 seconds before deciding the next card to play, which is really extensive.
But like I said, understandable if you are new and need to read many extra cards coming in.
After a few plays, just the card title is enough to recognise what it does.
Developers don’t have control over exactly how long the slow/normal/fast timers are: they start with some value when the game is first released, and afterwards BGA automatically recalculates and adapts the timers based on the average play times over all games played.
So probably the normal speed timer adapted from max 3:18 to 3:22 meanwhile.
Anyway, your logs indeed show that you had multiple times in that turn where it took 20, 30 or even 40 seconds before deciding the next card to play, which is really extensive.
But like I said, understandable if you are new and need to read many extra cards coming in.
After a few plays, just the card title is enough to recognise what it does.
Developers don’t have control over exactly how long the slow/normal/fast timers are: they start with some value when the game is first released, and afterwards BGA automatically recalculates and adapts the timers based on the average play times over all games played.
So probably the normal speed timer adapted from max 3:18 to 3:22 meanwhile.
2022년 May 21일 08:18 • jeffwolfe • 개발자가 이 제안에 대한 더 자세한 정보를 요청했습니다:
I had this happen to me quite a few months ago and I actually got booted from the game as I was actively playing, but I didn't bother to report it at the time. I just stopped playing in real time against strangers. I had played Take Another Turn and wondered whether my clock reset for my second turn or if I had to take two turns within the same clock. Anyway, here's the game if you want to look at it:
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=185387825
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=185387825
2023년 Jul 24일 16:10 • wolmot • 개발자는 이 제안이 좋지 않거나 이점에 비해 너무 많은 노력이 들어간다고 생각합니다:
No new info or more votes over a year, closing this now.
2025년 Aug 9일 19:39 • twistoffate1 • 개발자는 이 제안이 좋지 않거나 이점에 비해 너무 많은 노력이 들어간다고 생각합니다:
Hello! :-)
Upvoting this, and it looks like I might have to open a new one to trigger the system. (On the note of votes, BGA doesn't broadcast "Gurus, have you had X or Y issue as noted in the bugs/suggestions?" Unless someone starts a campaign blasting the report to every player in the game and has a rapport established with many of them--such as Nekonyancer in Tutorials chats, for example--of course it's not going to gain traction. Most people won't take the time because it's inconvenient, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't agree with the issue.)
I regularly have games where the opponent or I get a long turn where LOTS of cards are drawn or swap out (e.g., rotate/trade hands, discard and draw, Draw 5, Jackpot, Recycling) with LOTS of cards to play (e.g, play all/all but one, Draw 2 and Use 'em, Today's Special, Draw 3 and Use 2).
I just finished such a turn and was playing cards frantically but still saw my timer go close to -3:00. And my opponent was maybe above 1:00 but not exactly flush with time either. Often enough we're both under 1:00, sometimes even both negative, which to me indicates a time imbalance.
If this was speed chess, where one is silent and moves as rapidly as possible, then sure, the impatient types would have a point. But it's not. The spirit of Board Game Arena and particularly Fluxx is supposed to be casual fun, low intensity, chat about the chaos. I've played it since the original card game released. It is a social lubricant particularly because people have time to think and enact silly shenanigans with their cards.
I urge you to reconsider. Maybe a bump in time per card drawn, bump for hand swaps, etc.
Thank you, I have always enjoyed this game and want to see our collective joy around it maximized.
Upvoting this, and it looks like I might have to open a new one to trigger the system. (On the note of votes, BGA doesn't broadcast "Gurus, have you had X or Y issue as noted in the bugs/suggestions?" Unless someone starts a campaign blasting the report to every player in the game and has a rapport established with many of them--such as Nekonyancer in Tutorials chats, for example--of course it's not going to gain traction. Most people won't take the time because it's inconvenient, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't agree with the issue.)
I regularly have games where the opponent or I get a long turn where LOTS of cards are drawn or swap out (e.g., rotate/trade hands, discard and draw, Draw 5, Jackpot, Recycling) with LOTS of cards to play (e.g, play all/all but one, Draw 2 and Use 'em, Today's Special, Draw 3 and Use 2).
I just finished such a turn and was playing cards frantically but still saw my timer go close to -3:00. And my opponent was maybe above 1:00 but not exactly flush with time either. Often enough we're both under 1:00, sometimes even both negative, which to me indicates a time imbalance.
If this was speed chess, where one is silent and moves as rapidly as possible, then sure, the impatient types would have a point. But it's not. The spirit of Board Game Arena and particularly Fluxx is supposed to be casual fun, low intensity, chat about the chaos. I've played it since the original card game released. It is a social lubricant particularly because people have time to think and enact silly shenanigans with their cards.
I urge you to reconsider. Maybe a bump in time per card drawn, bump for hand swaps, etc.
Thank you, I have always enjoyed this game and want to see our collective joy around it maximized.
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