#92433: "Stars appear to be connected on Hercules"
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상세한 설명
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• 만약 오류 메세지가 화면에 나타났다면, 그 오류 메세지를 복사해서 붙여넣어 주시기 바랍니다.
Use Eridanus' ability to mark a star on Hercules, expecting all adjacent stars to be marked.
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• 무엇을 하고 싶었고, 무엇을 했고, 무슨 일이 일어났는지를 설명해 주십시오
I selected Eridanus and clicked on a target star on Hercules
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Google Chrome v114
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• 현재 설정된 언어가 아니라 영어로 표시되는 문장을 복사 후 붙여넣어 주세요. 만약에 버그에 대한 스크린샷을 가지고 계신다면 Imgur.com 사이트에 업로드 하시고, 여기에 링크를 복사/붙여넣기 하시기 바랍니다.
Use Eridanus' ability to mark a star on Hercules, expecting all adjacent stars to be marked.
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• 해당 문장이 번역 본부에서 표시됩니까? 만약 그렇다면, 번역된 지 24시간이 경과했습니까?
I selected Eridanus and clicked on a target star on Hercules
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Google Chrome v114
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• 최대한 쉽게 그 뜻을 이해할 수 있도록 당신의 제안을 정확하고 명료하게 설명해 주십시오.
Use Eridanus' ability to mark a star on Hercules, expecting all adjacent stars to be marked.
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Google Chrome v114
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• 당신이 막혔을 때 화면에 무엇이 나타났습니까?(검은 화면? 게임 인터페이스? 오류 메시지?)
Use Eridanus' ability to mark a star on Hercules, expecting all adjacent stars to be marked.
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Google Chrome v114
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• 어느 규칙이 BGA 서비스에서 존중되지 않았습니까?
Use Eridanus' ability to mark a star on Hercules, expecting all adjacent stars to be marked.
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• 게임 리플레이에서 룰 위반을 확인할 수 있습니까?만약 그렇다면, 몇번째 수에서 룰 위반이 있나요?
I selected Eridanus and clicked on a target star on Hercules
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Google Chrome v114
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• 당신이 하고 싶었던 게임 내 행동이 어느 것입니까?
Use Eridanus' ability to mark a star on Hercules, expecting all adjacent stars to be marked.
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• 이 게임 행동을 하기 위해 무엇을 시도했습니까?
I selected Eridanus and clicked on a target star on Hercules
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• 당신이 이것을 하려고 했을 때 무슨 일이 일어났습니까?(오류 메시지, 게임 상태창 메시지 등)
All stars but the adjacent grand star were marked.
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Google Chrome v114
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• 어떤 부분에서 문제가 발생 하였나요(문제가 발생했을 당시 어떤 지시가 내려졌었나요)?
Use Eridanus' ability to mark a star on Hercules, expecting all adjacent stars to be marked.
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• 당신이 게임 행동을 하려 했을 때 무슨 일이 일어났습니까?(오류 메시지, 게임 상태 막대 메시지, ...)
I selected Eridanus and clicked on a target star on Hercules
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Google Chrome v114
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• 디스플레이 문제를 설명해주세요. 만약에 버그에 대한 스크린샷을 가지고 계신다면 Imgur.com 사이트에 업로드 하시고, 여기에 링크를 복사/붙여넣기 하시기 바랍니다.
Use Eridanus' ability to mark a star on Hercules, expecting all adjacent stars to be marked.
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Google Chrome v114
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• 현재 설정된 언어가 아니라 영어로 표시되는 문장을 복사 후 붙여넣어 주세요. 만약에 버그에 대한 스크린샷을 가지고 계신다면 Imgur.com 사이트에 업로드 하시고, 여기에 링크를 복사/붙여넣기 하시기 바랍니다.
Use Eridanus' ability to mark a star on Hercules, expecting all adjacent stars to be marked.
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• 해당 문장이 번역 본부에서 표시됩니까? 만약 그렇다면, 번역된 지 24시간이 경과했습니까?
I selected Eridanus and clicked on a target star on Hercules
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Google Chrome v114
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• 최대한 쉽게 그 뜻을 이해할 수 있도록 당신의 제안을 정확하고 명료하게 설명해 주십시오.
Use Eridanus' ability to mark a star on Hercules, expecting all adjacent stars to be marked.
• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
Google Chrome v114
보고 이력
Table where this occurred (move 73): boardgamearena.com/table?table=391082123
Eridanus: imgur.com/7r9Hh6p
First scenario (marking star adjacent to grand star): imgur.com/Ir3CvLp
Second scenario (marking grand star): imgur.com/x0pvbSg
"Google Chrome v114"
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"Eradinus ability doesn't work when not activated"
Please look further. Did you even look at the images??
I am. You may not believe, it been I spent some time looking at move 73 and everything around it.
> I left you so much detail.
You did. Thank you. That helps me narrow in on the right move.
> On move 73, I used Eridanus to mark a star on Hercules
Actually, that's not what happened
>> Move 73: Sigzy reactivates Eridanus
That's not a card use, that's you untapping the card. I saw that and thought to myself, "Sigzy spend some time putting a lot of information into this report. I should investigate further." So I did! Here's everything I tried:
1) I went back several turns, then I replayed it from your point of view performing the same actions.
2) I verified that Eridanus was untapped, rather than activated, on Move 73.
3) I looked at all the later moves to see if you used Eridanus earlier in the game (you didn't)
4) I then looked back through earlier moves to see if maybe you simply misstated the move number by a couple moves. Nope! The last use of Eridanus was way back on move 27. Certainly not the move indicated in the report.
5) I scratched my head for a while, then figured that the detailed you added simply didn't add up with what the game showed. "Probably a misreport," I figured. We get *several* of these every week and 95% come back and simply say they misread the log.
> It may show that I didn't use the ability because I chose not to after finding out wasn't allowing me to do what I wanted to do.
Nothing showed up on the undo log, either. I checked for that. Maybe call that step 6 in my reproduction?
So there I was with two bad options. What would you do?
A) Close the report after having investigated it because 95% of such reports turn out to be a simple misreading of the situation
B) Pour another hour into trying to figure out what could possibly have gone wrong. I've actually chosen this option before in the past several times. I've logged *several hours* chasing ghosts that turn out to be nothing.
Maybe you'll understand why I chose A. Maybe you won't. Either way, you've chosen hostility instead of friendliness and cooperation in trying to communicate here, which feels like a punch in the face for the time I've volunteered towards trying to help here. I'll remind you that I'm not a BGA employee, just a fellow fan. At this point, I'm not compensated in any way for assisting here, just volunteering time to make BGA a better place.
FWIW, here's the final solution.
> imgur.com/x0pvbSg
That's a great picture because it shows two stars that you expect to be connected, but they aren't actually connected. You've misread the situation (see option A again). Those two stars are not connected on the card. Yes, it's hard to tell. No, I didn't create the card. Yes, I would have made it more obvious if I'd designed the card.
I can't remember how I arrived at the turn number that I did. I think I moused over the last link in the game history and saw whatever number it was and added one. Not sure if there's a better way to tell what move number you're currently on.
Anyways, just looking at that card and the fact that there is a line segment between those two stars means to me that they are connected. And since the ability did not mark that star through that connection, it seems to me as though it's just a missed data point on that card. But you said that there is no connection there. Which is confusing to me because of the visible line segment showing that there is a connection.
"Eradinus ability doesn't work when not activated"
Maybe you read that differently than I do. But it sounds backhanded. Obviously I was trying to activate the card. In the preview of that activation is what I was basing all my screenshots on. Implying in your response that I never activated it and that's why it didn't work is pretty rude. You may as well have just called me an idiot.
Anyways, this is getting hostile again. I do appreciate you volunteering your time. But would strongly encourage you to improve your responses to bugs to avoid further reactions like this.
"Eradinus ability doesn't work when not activated"
changed to
"Stars appear to be connected on Hercules"
Let's work through these points together.
> it sounds backhanded
I've updated the title to something that I hope sends a better message.
> Clearly my screenshots show me using Eridanus. But I never committed the move
That's the disconnect between us in your initial report. The report says you used him. You probably had the right move number, too. Because you never committed the move, you never actually used him. Consequently, the move never made it beyond what you saw locally in your browser and there was nothing for me to find when I investigated.
I realize that's probably frustrating to you that I didn't look closer. As I mentioned previously, false reports are such a frequent occurrence that I tend not to look beyond the initial facts of the report. I've wasted so many hours chasing things that weren't actually problems in the past that I've learning to just stop when things aren't adding up. Some of the kinder users even come back and report they had just made a mistake in filing the report. We had two of those in the past week, even. For that reason, frustrating or not, I'm not likely to pursue an issue beyond the initial set of facts, but as you've seen I do return when players provide additional information or clarify what they meant. There's got to be a back-and-forth, of course, just by the nature of this being a volunteer effort. (Or probably even if this were a full time position.)
> Anyways, just looking at that card and the fact that there is a line segment between
> those two stars means to me that they are connected.
I mentioned some of this in my previous response, so forgive me if I repeat myself a bit here. At a glance, they do appear to be connected. When you look closely at the card without the extra player stars on it, you'll see that there's no actual line there. There's a bit of starburst from the grand star that's very similar to a line, but it fades as it approaches the star you believe to be connected. I made the same mistake initially. A closer inspection reveals that they are not, in fact, connected.
> Which is confusing to me because of the visible line segment showing that there is a connection
Go back to your picture and zoom in real right on that loop you drew. Examine that "expected to be marked" star and you'll notice that the firm line to the left is different than the one on the right, which fades out before actually touching the star. I didn't design the card, so please don't shoot the messenger.
Thank you for your patience with me through all of this.
Also, fwiw I actually own the physical game and the the starburst effect is less deceiving in person. imgur.com/a/tDNyjlK
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