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#9903: "Annoying check for bad language"
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Whenever I use the common Swedish word "s l u t" , I get a warning for using offensive language. This happens every day on BGA. No big deal, but quite annoying. Maybe a good idea to stop checking language in chats between friends? I guess that english is used in almost all games when you play with people you don´t know. A more complicated way is some language recognition, but maybe it is not worth the effort. Or just remove the check for bad language?• 브라우저가 무엇입니까?
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2018년 6월 6일 3:51 • wentley • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
The check for bad language is often excessive, even without mistaking foreign words (and sometimes people's quite innocent names). For example, if I make a comment about myself, saying e.g. I just did something stupid, it will suggest this is an insult or aggressive!
One easy improvement would be to change the message to something like: 'If you believe this player has used offensive or aggressive language, you can report him to a moderator" (add link). Rather than assuming that's what has happened.
And maybe try to improve and make less simplistic how it picks up insults etc in the first place.
One easy improvement would be to change the message to something like: 'If you believe this player has used offensive or aggressive language, you can report him to a moderator" (add link). Rather than assuming that's what has happened.
And maybe try to improve and make less simplistic how it picks up insults etc in the first place.
2018년 6월 30일 9:39 • e1q3z9c7 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I often do some stupid move and says "oh stupid" after, I think I have right to insult myself
2018년 7월 2일 13:06 • Liallan • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I didn't even know this was happening. And I'm pretty sure I've insulted myself before. :-)
I could see where this would get annoying, and someone just posted on the forums about it too. The thing I don't really like is having the system "spying" on my chat. It seems it should be up to the other player(s) to decide if it bothers them and report you.
I could see where this would get annoying, and someone just posted on the forums about it too. The thing I don't really like is having the system "spying" on my chat. It seems it should be up to the other player(s) to decide if it bothers them and report you.
2018년 7월 7일 22:30 • Lena the Great • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Btw, the word "Slut" in swedish means "The end" in english...
Likewise the word "Bra" in swedish means "Good" in english.
Have also got a warning...It's hard to be swedish.
Likewise the word "Bra" in swedish means "Good" in english.
Have also got a warning...It's hard to be swedish.
2018년 8월 26일 10:54 • Mrs Dress A H • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I just tried "I just did something stupid" on "Chat with everyone", and it didn't detect.
2019년 7월 2일 10:09 • diamant • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
L'équipe BGA ne devrait pas se croiser les BRAS (arms in english) sur cette question.
2019년 9월 7일 9:01 • Adolf889 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Dear moderators.
I expose that:
1.- On September 4, 2019 at 19:11, I received a warning without penalty from BGA, because according to its privacy policy, my username was not appropriate.
2.- On September 4, 2019 at 19:49, I sent an email to contact@boardgamearena.com where I ask what is the reason for my sanction.
Attached mail sent
"Apparently my username is inappropriate for BGA. what's wrong with my name? it's just my name and my birthdate: adolf889 "
Without finding a bigger problem, and since there was an error in the attached link, en.boardgamearena.com/doc/moderationpolicyProject-Id-Version; I waited for at least one explanatory answer.
3.- On September 4, 2019, hours later, I sent an email to the platform, denouncing what had happened in a chat of a 7wonders game, in which a user had insulted me, insinuating that, according to my username , I was a "hitler fan", describing myself as "authentic Nazi" and asking the rest of the players to support him in my expulsion from the game.
4.- After 48 hours, I have not received any response from the moderators, nor to my question about the inappropriateness of my username, or to the verbal aggression suffered during the chat (notified on the platform, to which I currently don't have access).
5.- On September 7, 2019, at 2:44 a.m., I received an email, in which I was notified that I had been permanently banned. Attached message:
"Didn't change their username within the allotted time despite being online."
For all the above, I request that:
1.- The platform interface is reviewed and the moderation policy visualization is possible.
2.- the reasons for sanction are reviewed. Obviously Adolf / Adolfo / Adolphe is a common name in many Latin-speaking countries, and I have never had any problem in each of the countries I have visited by direct political association. It seems to me something completely absurd, inconvenient, uncomfortable and humiliating.
3.- My expulsion case will be duly reviewed.
I await an answer.
I expose that:
1.- On September 4, 2019 at 19:11, I received a warning without penalty from BGA, because according to its privacy policy, my username was not appropriate.
2.- On September 4, 2019 at 19:49, I sent an email to contact@boardgamearena.com where I ask what is the reason for my sanction.
Attached mail sent
"Apparently my username is inappropriate for BGA. what's wrong with my name? it's just my name and my birthdate: adolf889 "
Without finding a bigger problem, and since there was an error in the attached link, en.boardgamearena.com/doc/moderationpolicyProject-Id-Version; I waited for at least one explanatory answer.
3.- On September 4, 2019, hours later, I sent an email to the platform, denouncing what had happened in a chat of a 7wonders game, in which a user had insulted me, insinuating that, according to my username , I was a "hitler fan", describing myself as "authentic Nazi" and asking the rest of the players to support him in my expulsion from the game.
4.- After 48 hours, I have not received any response from the moderators, nor to my question about the inappropriateness of my username, or to the verbal aggression suffered during the chat (notified on the platform, to which I currently don't have access).
5.- On September 7, 2019, at 2:44 a.m., I received an email, in which I was notified that I had been permanently banned. Attached message:
"Didn't change their username within the allotted time despite being online."
For all the above, I request that:
1.- The platform interface is reviewed and the moderation policy visualization is possible.
2.- the reasons for sanction are reviewed. Obviously Adolf / Adolfo / Adolphe is a common name in many Latin-speaking countries, and I have never had any problem in each of the countries I have visited by direct political association. It seems to me something completely absurd, inconvenient, uncomfortable and humiliating.
3.- My expulsion case will be duly reviewed.
I await an answer.
2019년 9월 7일 9:06 • Adolf889 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I have been banned because of my username!!!!
I find it humiliating that in 2019, there is still a direct partnership between my name and the second world war
I find it humiliating that in 2019, there is still a direct partnership between my name and the second world war
2020년 3월 22일 9:07 • sapri-capri • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
The common German phrase "L u s t auf..." just means "Do you want to play..." There is absolutely no need to do anything about it. I think users should be able to decide whether they feel insulted or not without the system interfering!
2020년 3월 29일 5:46 • Spiralise • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Upvote in particular on Wentley's suggestion.
The current message is quite aggressive in itself. It could be adjusted so that people can take action if they find something that has been said offensive.
And the only times I have seen this happen, has been when people have made a comment about their own play/mistakes, so very unlikely to be offensive to another.
The current message is quite aggressive in itself. It could be adjusted so that people can take action if they find something that has been said offensive.
And the only times I have seen this happen, has been when people have made a comment about their own play/mistakes, so very unlikely to be offensive to another.
2020년 4월 21일 0:50 • ystwyth • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Said "oh damn" in a chat with a friend when I did something stupid and was tagged as being offensive. Either make it so it doesn't detect between friends, or better yet have an option in the settings that allows you to pick your level of swearing. No swearing if it really bothers you, moderate for words like stupid or damn, and anything goes if you just don't care.
Instead of having angry automated messages, why not ******* words for the people who choose not to see these words (choice in settings).
Instead of having angry automated messages, why not ******* words for the people who choose not to see these words (choice in settings).
2020년 4월 29일 3:19 • crapi • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
What happened to Adolf889 (noted by him above on 09/07/2019) is unfortunate and I hope the admins look into it, though it is not really what this bug report is about.
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I agree with several people here that chat between friends should not be checked for this. If someone is offended they can first remove the person from their friend list.
I especially like the suggestion by ystwyth (immediately before me) to create options for levels of filtering, and to replace potentially offending words with **** etc, or even something that can be clicked to reveal what was said. Also, then it wouldn't matter if the person is a friend on BGA or not.
It is still useful to have a function within the chat window to immediately report a problem (it seems much harder to report later), but it should be smaller and to the side or somehow less obnoxious than it is now (when not wanted).
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I agree with several people here that chat between friends should not be checked for this. If someone is offended they can first remove the person from their friend list.
I especially like the suggestion by ystwyth (immediately before me) to create options for levels of filtering, and to replace potentially offending words with **** etc, or even something that can be clicked to reveal what was said. Also, then it wouldn't matter if the person is a friend on BGA or not.
It is still useful to have a function within the chat window to immediately report a problem (it seems much harder to report later), but it should be smaller and to the side or somehow less obnoxious than it is now (when not wanted).
2020년 5월 14일 23:56 • BryceS • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Saying goodnight to my girlfriend on chat and signing off with three kisses - xxx - is apparently offensive...
2020년 5월 20일 17:03 • Flavien21CDC • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Same in french.
Words « retard » (meaning late or behind) and « Fanny » (meaning loosing with having scored zero points) are cencured here.
Words « retard » (meaning late or behind) and « Fanny » (meaning loosing with having scored zero points) are cencured here.
2020년 5월 24일 13:37 • BSF Clairebear • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I've noticed this when I play games with my Mum - once we're finished, we sign off with "see you later xxx" or similar - we both receive those very patronising reprimands about aggressive messages. It is needless and detracts from the game experience.
2020년 6월 2일 14:30 • augustin F • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I was playing Rallyman: GT and I asked the other players if I should make a "Grosse Attaque" (I don't know the english for). Then I told myself that I was already too far behind to take extra risks (I had to catch up with the others, not go into the wall), so I told them: Non, j'ai déjà trop de retard comme ça" (No, I'm late enough as it is).
But the website didn't accept this message.
So I agree with Flavien21CDC.
But the website didn't accept this message.
So I agree with Flavien21CDC.
2020년 6월 8일 14:22 • Fabien9000 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Indeed the french "retard" is a perfectly normal word.
I'm also in favor of setting to loose a bit the checks with you play with friends (strict checks on by default)
Please note, BGA, that I understand the need for moderation in the chat :)
I'm also in favor of setting to loose a bit the checks with you play with friends (strict checks on by default)
Please note, BGA, that I understand the need for moderation in the chat :)
2020년 6월 12일 18:47 • compte obelète • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Yeah, about the ban guy posting here is a bit too much brutal for that, Yeah the site need to respect the French rules, but he was in Spain (still don't worry about that name).
2020년 6월 19일 0:34 • lea108 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I also think it is a problem that BGA doesn't perform language detection and use language specific lists of "bad" words.
/Fellow Swedish player that tends to talk about game end conditions and get messages flagged for using our word for "end" which is on the black list.
/Fellow Swedish player that tends to talk about game end conditions and get messages flagged for using our word for "end" which is on the black list.
2020년 6월 19일 5:05 • compte obelète • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
@boardgamearena.com/player?id=86585656, yeah, that cool.
2020년 6월 19일 12:00 • irakun • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I agree with everything people said before. My two cents:
1) Language moderation should not be enforced between friends. I don't need (neither I want) you to censor what I say to my old good friends and if a new friend I made here is not being nice to me, it takes a minute to unfriend them.
I think this simple change would make a big difference, since probably most of us talk much more with friends than with unknown people.
2) I thing @wentley made a great suggestion.
3) Only English words seems to be triggering the bad language message, which is not optimal. I can't say some words in English but I am allowed to say whatever I want in Spanish? how is that logical?
1) Language moderation should not be enforced between friends. I don't need (neither I want) you to censor what I say to my old good friends and if a new friend I made here is not being nice to me, it takes a minute to unfriend them.
I think this simple change would make a big difference, since probably most of us talk much more with friends than with unknown people.
2) I thing @wentley made a great suggestion.
3) Only English words seems to be triggering the bad language message, which is not optimal. I can't say some words in English but I am allowed to say whatever I want in Spanish? how is that logical?
2020년 6월 19일 12:50 • irakun • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Also what happened to Adolf889 is disgusting... I want to believe that you wouldn't do that... or that at least you fixed it after somehow...
2020년 6월 20일 7:16 • Jesm71 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Shit is a daily used word in Holland - like damn, so you say it not in a bed way
2020년 6월 22일 0:35 • ma_cieng • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
"ide spac" in Polish is "I go to sleep". For some reason system found it insulting.
2020년 6월 24일 9:56 • compte obelète • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
@jesm71, oh, so if someone is come from here, (there is another name?) I shouldn't report.
2020년 10월 12일 4:20 • vttale • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
How many votes does it take to even get an acknowledgement that this is an issue that detracts from the game play experience for many people? Please either acknowledge that you are working on a way to do this or make some statement about why you won't and close this. Sitting here for YEARS as "Bug has not been reproduced by developers yet" is kind of an amazing way to put it into limbo.
Allowing a simple opt-in setting of "Disable language filter between friends" would be a pretty straightforward way of addressing this.
Allowing a simple opt-in setting of "Disable language filter between friends" would be a pretty straightforward way of addressing this.
2020년 10월 22일 18:14 • enhan • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I can just repeat 22.03.2020 - 10:07 • sapri-capri •
and extend:
"Lust haben" means "do you feel like".
"Hast Du Lust auf ein Spiel" just means : "Do you feel like a game".
There is nothing offensive of whatsoever kind.
Just remove the language-filter or make it language-specific. Thanks.
Even Google-translate gets this right.
and extend:
"Lust haben" means "do you feel like".
"Hast Du Lust auf ein Spiel" just means : "Do you feel like a game".
There is nothing offensive of whatsoever kind.
Just remove the language-filter or make it language-specific. Thanks.
Even Google-translate gets this right.
2020년 11월 2일 19:48 • eoc • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
After more than two years have passedn, I would also respectfully request an official statement from BGA in this matter. Otherwise, it's easy to see why international players would feel ignored. Please try to find some time to look at this soon.
2020년 11월 11일 10:38 • Zero_1627 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
yeah, same with me - especially as it not only looks for offensive words in English, but also for similar words... I'd say a player will know when (s)he feels offended and can report it all right, there's no need for big warnings about anything that even looks like not-entirely-proper language.
2020년 11월 19일 0:12 • Pocc • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
How has there been no action on this in 2 years!?
I pay BGA money and expect to not be treated like a child. If there is a problem with language, then users should report as they feel necessary.
I pay BGA money and expect to not be treated like a child. If there is a problem with language, then users should report as they feel necessary.
2020년 11월 22일 20:29 • Nisterius • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Even terms used in the rules of the game get dinged: Any question about the "Fool" in french tarot...
2020년 12월 7일 5:04 • acoustic kitty • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Agreeing with everything that's been said. I understand the need to maintain a respectful community but the current language warning system is borderline useless.
1. English bias in how the warnings are triggered. Many innocent non-English words activate it.
2. Foul language isn't an issue when playing with friends only. The warnings detract from our enjoyment.
3. Allow a global toggle to turn the warnings off everywhere, even in public games (but sure, keep the warnings enabled by default)
4. Dial down the aggressiveness of the words that trigger the warning. Some pretty benign words that trigger it were highlighted here: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12839&start=15
1. English bias in how the warnings are triggered. Many innocent non-English words activate it.
2. Foul language isn't an issue when playing with friends only. The warnings detract from our enjoyment.
3. Allow a global toggle to turn the warnings off everywhere, even in public games (but sure, keep the warnings enabled by default)
4. Dial down the aggressiveness of the words that trigger the warning. Some pretty benign words that trigger it were highlighted here: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12839&start=15
2020년 12월 18일 10:01 • kristjansig1983 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I support this wholeheartedly. This should be fixed somehow.
2020년 12월 25일 20:35 • Luma5 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Yes you cannot yep even it's just another word for yes...
2021년 1월 15일 23:08 • vagabond • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I tried a different approach: boardgamearena.com/bug?id=31963
2021년 1월 25일 13:08 • brainofj83 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
It is getting really annoying to be automatically flagged every time I (or my friends with whom I play) uses the Swedish word "slut", which would mean "the end" in English. In some discussions this happens frequently, like;
- When does the game end?
- The game ends when the draw deck is depleted.
- Will we have time to play out all the card before the end?
During this discussing we get flagged all the time. I really appreciate the concern for the discussions to stay civil, but as this is a platform with people from all over the world, I find it really irritating that this feature is automated. A manual report-function would be much, much better.
- When does the game end?
- The game ends when the draw deck is depleted.
- Will we have time to play out all the card before the end?
During this discussing we get flagged all the time. I really appreciate the concern for the discussions to stay civil, but as this is a platform with people from all over the world, I find it really irritating that this feature is automated. A manual report-function would be much, much better.
2021년 2월 14일 17:11 • Da1m0s • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
"The developers have not been able to reproduce the bug" is that message a bug in itself? how can this not be reproduced very easy? And even easier to understand?
2021년 2월 17일 12:33 • KongKing123 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
It says "Bug has not been reproduced by developers yet", which is the status every bug report starts with.
It basically means it has been ignored for almost 3 years.
It basically means it has been ignored for almost 3 years.
2021년 2월 22일 5:16 • nccc • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I think this is why they're hiring more people.
Imagine running this website with ONLY 4 people.
Imagine running this website with ONLY 4 people.
2021년 3월 29일 21:54 • Yobust • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Early today I join a french tarot game, I went to page to say hello to oponents but when trying to go back to page where's the table to play, i couldn't go back to page it was taking so long to log me into page . When I manége to be to leave from messages page, I was on page with a link said "go to game" so I clicked but on top of my page it asked me if I was connected
Sorry pardon my french ( swearing) But what stupid question of course am connected or I couldn't see that daft message asking if am connected lol. But after all I got from others players expelled , no blaming anyone to expelled me as it took so long fir me to show up. But to get bad reputation from BGA, where it was not my fault if was late. It's BGA system slow to many bugs . But BGA always say it work perfectly but it doesn't . So unfair to get reputation in my opinion
Sorry pardon my french ( swearing) But what stupid question of course am connected or I couldn't see that daft message asking if am connected lol. But after all I got from others players expelled , no blaming anyone to expelled me as it took so long fir me to show up. But to get bad reputation from BGA, where it was not my fault if was late. It's BGA system slow to many bugs . But BGA always say it work perfectly but it doesn't . So unfair to get reputation in my opinion
2021년 3월 29일 21:57 • Yobust • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Too about insult where this world going too if u can't sweat your own self lol
2021년 5월 22일 0:46 • KuWizard • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
In BANG! there's a character "Willy the Kid". It is English but still considered an offensive word :)
2021년 6월 2일 15:13 • compte obelète • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
After like 3 years from the start of this report, still nobody actually found it interesting, I wonder why this waiting...
It's like, any random suggestions that make things bad, sure.
And a serious problem, nope
It's like, any random suggestions that make things bad, sure.
And a serious problem, nope
2021년 6월 22일 8:44 • anmi2 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
it may be a common spam-filter setting for only english.
in this case "slut" has a complete different meaning in english and swedish
* english: spam word ; meaning = bitch
* swedish: normal word : meaning = final
so in result, the website spam word settings can be updated in that case, that when in the chat there are ONLY friends inside, the spam check should be a possibility to disable by a user-checkbox
in this case "slut" has a complete different meaning in english and swedish
* english: spam word ; meaning = bitch
* swedish: normal word : meaning = final
so in result, the website spam word settings can be updated in that case, that when in the chat there are ONLY friends inside, the spam check should be a possibility to disable by a user-checkbox
2021년 6월 27일 11:19 • Sara U • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
It’s really hard to avoid the word ”slut” if you chat about playing and games in swedish.
2021년 7월 29일 21:23 • anmhi • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
The offensive language notification on "damn" in particular is completely unnecessary. In the English speaking world it's a world that very few people would be offended by. In addition, it's a word that would be quite challenging to construct an insult from.
2021년 7월 30일 22:42 • numbnuts • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I used the phrase 'tit 4 tat' during a game of Spades.It was a comment on a reciprocal play. I realize the word 'tit' set off a red flag. Hope I didn't get downgraded for that. Thanks
2021년 8월 10일 0:55 • sedjtroll • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
It's mostly ignorable, but the warning IS annoying -- maybe it could be something a player can toggle off in their personal settings?
2021년 8월 12일 17:56 • EthanStrauss • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I got dinged for saying "... snatch victory...". This is just wrong! Words can have more than one meaning.
2021년 9월 18일 22:12 • Kit by the Sea • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
There is a great need to be able to block completely, not just give a red avoid thumb. Ive been criticised for a disability and it’s unacceptable.
2021년 9월 27일 9:37 • Karaboudjan • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Nothing happened, so I got used to write "L.ust" instead of "Lust". Strange that BGA does not seem to be interested in this issue at all...
2021년 10월 9일 19:51 • Tybus913 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I find it disappointing that this is still unadressed 3 years later.
2021년 10월 10일 3:58 • blockmonoid • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
So for several weeks now, I notice that "offensive" words are no longer flagged with this "insulting language" message, at least when speaking with friends. When did this change get implemented? I applaud it. It was most annoying when talking between friends, when you've established a level of informality everyone is comfortable with. And definitely if you're using another language with those friends.
2021년 10월 20일 2:05 • nopeasaurus • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
@blockmonoid maybe it's a partial roll-out? I got the pop-up warning just a few days ago when playing with friends.
2021년 10월 22일 0:12 • Romain672 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
How about a 'don't show me again', and those who get a ban immediately got that option removed?
2021년 11월 14일 18:32 • FaeWeaver • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I feel like one warning per game would be sufficient.
2021년 12월 15일 12:05 • sesselfussel • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
In my opinion this language check is not necessary. When someone who is not a friend etc is insulting and does show an inappropriate attitude and language there are other ways to address this matter. There is no need in a game to check for words that are normal in other languages than English!
2022년 5월 4일 16:32 • KongKing123 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
2022년 6월 21일 18:21 • mamacg52963 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I do think a "clean" communication environment is important in order to maintain a respectable and comfortable atmosphere for all players, and this requires that certain standards be in place.
2022년 7월 11일 12:55 • KongKing123 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
New topic with BGA response that sadly dodges the issue: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=26165
2022년 7월 14일 3:52 • Freches_Feechen_XX • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I agree with almost everything that previous speakers have said! It's really degrading what BGA dares to do here! It's just for the 🤮 that nothing has happened for apparently 4 years and the problem is just hanging in the balance!!! I brought at least 5 to 10 players here - but I won't do that for now! Apparently it's worth nothing for BGA if new players are recruited - and then this nonsense with the word filtering and the espionage - you should actually report that to the data protection officers!!!
2022년 7월 14일 4:01 • Freches_Feechen_XX • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
The language filter also warns against common German words! Example - as already mentioned: Lust! It's really just amazing here, and can really take the fun out of the game at times! Maybe BGA wants this and would like to stop chatting while playing...
2022년 8월 29일 17:48 • PiHalbe • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Another German Word that is quite common in standard card games is "A s s", which is just the Ace as in "Herz A s s".
I get that it's profanity in English, but it's really freaking me out when drastic measures are announced because I plainly tried to talk about the game.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ass_(Spielkarte)
I get that it's profanity in English, but it's really freaking me out when drastic measures are announced because I plainly tried to talk about the game.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ass_(Spielkarte)
2022년 11월 3일 17:14 • deeoh • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
The language filter is also easily "defeated", as it only checks exact matches and not substrings. For example, "dumb" may trigger the filter, but "_dumb" does not.
2022년 11월 17일 12:30 • bagofnails • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Just as an amusding aside, I was talking about the early days of the sport basketball, and I mentioned that it was a long time before they realised to put a hole in the bottom of the basket. This was flagged as rude/insult, but none of us could work out what the offending word/term could possible be. (It might have been 'a hole')
2023년 1월 12일 12:27 • jakeqz • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Residents of Scunthorpe have suffered this fundamentally flawed solution for decades.
It was known to be problematic well before BGA came into existence. But in fairness, other sites have historically not dealt with the issue much better. E.g. Pokerstars insists that all chat should be in English and asterisks-out whatever it considers to be an expletive.
The approach taken by Lichess seems to be the right way forward: allow all chat, but alongside each message have a 'report' icon (which on desktop only appears on `hover`); those sanctioned for abusive chat are still allowed to play, but not chat, for a certain period of time.
It was known to be problematic well before BGA came into existence. But in fairness, other sites have historically not dealt with the issue much better. E.g. Pokerstars insists that all chat should be in English and asterisks-out whatever it considers to be an expletive.
The approach taken by Lichess seems to be the right way forward: allow all chat, but alongside each message have a 'report' icon (which on desktop only appears on `hover`); those sanctioned for abusive chat are still allowed to play, but not chat, for a certain period of time.
2023년 2월 3일 23:58 • Shiny Discosphere • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
we're all adults, if someone is being attacked, they can be reported or allow a user to block messages from that person in the game or forever.
2023년 2월 26일 16:54 • Meredith25 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I 100 percent support this report. Just a few days ago, I was talking with someone, asking if I could play an inappropriate word in a game. After choosing not to, they asked what the word was so I told them. Before I could send it I got multiple messages saying I'd be banned if I got reported.
I don't think people should be banned for using words strategically in game and answering someone else in chat. Plus, as mentioned earlier different words mean different things in different languages.
I don't think people should be banned for using words strategically in game and answering someone else in chat. Plus, as mentioned earlier different words mean different things in different languages.
2023년 3월 26일 19:30 • dhnyny • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
This entire policing of language is badly implemented and completely unnecessary. It should end. And Adolf should be reinstated and should receive an apology.
2023년 4월 3일 23:56 • TwoTottaBonne • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Adding the option for an 'adult' mode on games, like the other options at game creation, would allow people to keep games 'rated PG' or whatever when that's what they prefer, and also allow me to talk trash to my friends while we horse around playing boardgames. I mean, the language at a physical table is not clean in my experience, and it doesn't bother any of the people I play with.
2023년 4월 14일 16:33 • robear88 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
when playing with people new or old I think it should be okay to ask are you sure you know how to play, as in case i recently asked if someone was a master in hanabi because to me they were playing strangely, i was warned about this behavior but sometimes we ask questions to see if there is a misunderstanding get better clarification maybe we don't understand what they are doing. I think lot gamers will agree that our intent is to bring people in to board gaming apart that is teaching new people or sometimes questioning when people are playing erratically, i hope i don't get more trouble since in policy says not complain but i think the filter you have for inappropriate language may be set to harshly as in my case i asked a question to get clarification from a player to see where the break down was in our game i thought maybe someone else is playing under there account like child or relative an maybe didn't understand the game. I think some freedom is needed to question a bit the player to gauge there ability so people can either help teach because even masters make mistakes and we shouldn't get penalized for pointing it out. However i am all up for learning myself i could have been clearer in communicating this in chat during the game instead of saying r u really a master to, you are playing very odd to me can you explain so i can understand, my wording was poor, though was never trying to insult. Also just for BGA to know at first i wasn't going to accept the warning i was able to click games an put myself in a waiting list to find a game even though the moderation popped up everywhere else i don't know if that is a glitch since i dont think you want people playing until they accept the message.
2023년 6월 15일 18:01 • Friend of Jamis • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I don't have a problem with the feature, but it seems like it wouldn't be too difficult to allow people to opt out of it at the account level or on a per-game basis.
2023년 6월 21일 17:17 • betsys99 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I was chatting with a friend, and I said I was scr*wing up in the game - which is slangy but not rude- and after the popup, my entire message was erased.
2023년 7월 5일 13:17 • Stuff by Bez • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
As deeoh said, I could type the word "f***" and it's flagged but if I use "F***ing" then it's not, because of the extra characters ('ing') at the end.
BGA seems to be able to detect foreign languages, so surely if it notices you are not speaking in English, then it should use a different list of trigger words.
BGA seems to be able to detect foreign languages, so surely if it notices you are not speaking in English, then it should use a different list of trigger words.
2023년 7월 5일 23:04 • Sav_96 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I am able to type fu***ing, but not f*ck without the message. it seems some words not native to English also come up as flagged. I also like to talk sh*t with my friends, who all also curse in our private chats with each other. We shouldn't be flagged when we can figure the right place and time to curse. Maybe allow it in messages with friends or have a setting that turns the profanity filter off in the settings.
2023년 8월 4일 16:44 • Starwarrior1128 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I just wish they added an option to turn off the aggressive language warning message in chat.
2023년 9월 4일 20:39 • Sjarmtrollet • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Could it be an option. To turn off all monitoring.
2023년 10월 26일 5:37 • jakeqz007 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I typed "noob" in the context of "helping out a newbie", but only when I changed it to "newbie" did the warning go away.
The current system is not fit for purpose, particularly in the context of a site that allows chat in multiple languages.
> Could it be an option. To turn off all monitoring.
Absolutely not. Chat records must be kept, so that if there is a complaint against a player being abusive in the chat, it can be fully investigated. However, those chat records must remain private until any such complaint and investigation is opened, and not be available to anyone not involved in the investigation about that specific complaint. Chat records must not be available to admins on an ad-hoc basis. Due process must be followed.
> I just wish they added an option to turn off the aggressive language warning message in chat.
The warning I saw said it would be flagged up to moderators. I don't think flagging messages to moderators is appropriate for the reasons I've already given, including that privacy should be respected.
If the warning was turned off, you wouldn't know if someone unbeknownst to you was reading your chat.
The current system is not fit for purpose, particularly in the context of a site that allows chat in multiple languages.
> Could it be an option. To turn off all monitoring.
Absolutely not. Chat records must be kept, so that if there is a complaint against a player being abusive in the chat, it can be fully investigated. However, those chat records must remain private until any such complaint and investigation is opened, and not be available to anyone not involved in the investigation about that specific complaint. Chat records must not be available to admins on an ad-hoc basis. Due process must be followed.
> I just wish they added an option to turn off the aggressive language warning message in chat.
The warning I saw said it would be flagged up to moderators. I don't think flagging messages to moderators is appropriate for the reasons I've already given, including that privacy should be respected.
If the warning was turned off, you wouldn't know if someone unbeknownst to you was reading your chat.
2023년 10월 26일 5:46 • jakeqz007 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
PS. The current implemtation is, if I understand correctly, in breach of EU GDPR regulation.
2023년 10월 26일 11:10 • 0rsk1 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I18N is hard but yeah, I feel you swedish bro. Had same on Battle.net with "Kykene" (being able of something), I learned it is slang for jewish person...
Until we get AIs intelligent enough we have to have this .. very broken version of "quality control"
Until we get AIs intelligent enough we have to have this .. very broken version of "quality control"
2023년 11월 1일 14:54 • bugggg • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
This was triggered for me today when I attempted to say "I did a dumb thing earlier and meant to produce or something else in the pre-role action, but I hit the wrong button on my phone..."
I suspect that "did a dumb thing" or "hit" caused the popup, but I'm not sure.
Yeah, this is extremely overzealous/oversensitive/incorrect. The users should have the ability to have a setting where asterisk masking can be enabled instead of warning people for things that don't make sense. It could even be the default setting as long as it can be turned off!
I'm surprised that after ~3 years, this ticket is STILL open and says "bug has not not been reproduced by developers yet" considering the many clear examples of where it has happened.
I suspect that "did a dumb thing" or "hit" caused the popup, but I'm not sure.
Yeah, this is extremely overzealous/oversensitive/incorrect. The users should have the ability to have a setting where asterisk masking can be enabled instead of warning people for things that don't make sense. It could even be the default setting as long as it can be turned off!
I'm surprised that after ~3 years, this ticket is STILL open and says "bug has not not been reproduced by developers yet" considering the many clear examples of where it has happened.
2023년 11월 12일 14:49 • muddypawprints • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
What I don't understand is that the message talks about "is this offensive or insulting". I can offend or insult someone without using "curse words".
You look like a horse's bottom.
See, no cursing. So the system in place is badly implemented. The filter should be off. (if children have accounts, they should have parental permission as is.)
There should be a blanket statement when you sign up for an account explaining that this is an international site and language differences may be present. I have seen this on other sites, and once I see that, it's my choice whether or not to proceed with being on the site.
The solution is that there should be a report option on chats somewhere universal. (drop down or under the burger menu in games) This way, if an offensive or insulting action takes place, the chat is saved and a moderator can review it. Don't only give me the option when a "bad" word is used, because, as I have shown above, it doesn't take a curse word for those actions to take place.
You look like a horse's bottom.
See, no cursing. So the system in place is badly implemented. The filter should be off. (if children have accounts, they should have parental permission as is.)
There should be a blanket statement when you sign up for an account explaining that this is an international site and language differences may be present. I have seen this on other sites, and once I see that, it's my choice whether or not to proceed with being on the site.
The solution is that there should be a report option on chats somewhere universal. (drop down or under the burger menu in games) This way, if an offensive or insulting action takes place, the chat is saved and a moderator can review it. Don't only give me the option when a "bad" word is used, because, as I have shown above, it doesn't take a curse word for those actions to take place.
2023년 11월 19일 12:54 • Hordil • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Came here because I wanted to report the german phrase ("Lust" auf etwas haben) - when you want to play something. No thats not sexual or anything its just asking if someone wants to play with you. I dont need a 6 paragraph long warning that there could be bad language when it's clearly NOT.
You discourage people from communicating on the website by this!
You discourage people from communicating on the website by this!
2023년 11월 30일 10:19 • Nebresh • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
The german term "Hast du Lust auf ein Spiel" - Do you want to play a game" is rather inoffensive.
2023년 12월 17일 7:11 • clientsi • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
There really needs to be a setting for this!
2024년 2월 16일 11:29 • Cortopok • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Problème d'affichage des cartes personnages et œuvres d'art. Je ne les voyais olus, ne pouvant plus savoir le descriptif des cartes.
Cela est arrivé lors de la dernière manche.
Cela est arrivé lors de la dernière manche.
2024년 2월 22일 6:04 • therightwaye • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
"There really needs to be a setting for this!"
FOR SERIOUS. Don't like cursing, maybe you should have filters enabled and the rest of us can live our ducking lives like we want.
FOR SERIOUS. Don't like cursing, maybe you should have filters enabled and the rest of us can live our ducking lives like we want.
2024년 2월 22일 6:18 • therightwaye • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I notice that this is years old and no one at BGA seems to care.
2024년 4월 4일 12:42 • Phoxtrot • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
It does cause too many problems with other languages.
Whenever I say 'Je suis en r e t a r d pour ...." I get a warning.
Whenever I say 'Je suis en r e t a r d pour ...." I get a warning.
2024년 4월 10일 16:20 • Hordil • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I am often annoyed by this.
Common german phrase: "Hast du Lust ein Spiel zu spielen?"
"Would you like to play a game?"
And it picks up "Lust" as something worthy of censoring and warning people about aggressive behaviour blabla, people missunderstand the message and think you are a creep.
Very nice BGA, very nice.
Common german phrase: "Hast du Lust ein Spiel zu spielen?"
"Would you like to play a game?"
And it picks up "Lust" as something worthy of censoring and warning people about aggressive behaviour blabla, people missunderstand the message and think you are a creep.
Very nice BGA, very nice.
2024년 4월 11일 17:16 • FromLardToHard • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Trash Talk and Table Talking IS a very effective strategy in any game. "Yo Mama" stuff is part of the game, grow a thicker skin.
2024년 5월 18일 8:24 • zellaaa • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
wow 6 years had passed and they still haven't looked into it :/
2024년 6월 5일 10:16 • King_Taravangian • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I agree with acoustic kitty:
Innocent words in other languages are getting flagged in English: like "C u m" in Romanian, which means "How". HOW can I ask a question, without using "how"?
And, yes, I don't need moderation with my friends. We should be able to turn this on/ off.
Innocent words in other languages are getting flagged in English: like "C u m" in Romanian, which means "How". HOW can I ask a question, without using "how"?
And, yes, I don't need moderation with my friends. We should be able to turn this on/ off.
2024년 7월 12일 9:45 • DukeOfEarl • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Yes, this should really be looked into. The ticket has been open for 6 fricking years!
Just to add to the list of examples, in Luxembourgish, you say "Et a s s däin Tuer" to say "It *is* your turn."
So the word "is" is bad...
Just to add to the list of examples, in Luxembourgish, you say "Et a s s däin Tuer" to say "It *is* your turn."
So the word "is" is bad...
2024년 8월 27일 13:18 • Sausway • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I would like chat moderation to be turned off between friends. Or maybe have an option where people can choose to toggle it off between friends?
I was just playing a game with my mom and my sister (only us 3) and I said, "Dumb Game" jokingly because I love the game and lost. BGA asked me if "I was sure the risk of banning was worth the message" and then asked my family in chat if they would like to report me.
My sister has had some people be really horrible to her in Hanobi without using any noticeably bad words, so it doesn't seem like this feature is really helping in the way it's supposed to.
I was just playing a game with my mom and my sister (only us 3) and I said, "Dumb Game" jokingly because I love the game and lost. BGA asked me if "I was sure the risk of banning was worth the message" and then asked my family in chat if they would like to report me.
My sister has had some people be really horrible to her in Hanobi without using any noticeably bad words, so it doesn't seem like this feature is really helping in the way it's supposed to.
2024년 9월 22일 23:51 • espbean • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I would also like an option to turn this off between friends. It's anxiety inducing and annoying, and like others have said, triggers for common phrases in other languages. I understand wanting to moderate the general chat and conversation among non-friends, but this filter is a pain when trying to message with a friend.
2024년 10월 20일 10:32 • LHCper • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I made a similar request recently in the following one: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=182174
When playing the friends, and chatting in Swedish, it is kind of frustrating to get this warning quite a lot. I mean "end" (but in Swedish) is quite common to use in a chat.
So I think turning of moderation in chats with friends is a good idea, and is quite easy to implement.<
I also think moderation in games chat really could be turned of. If someone is misbehaving, use report system instead. Possibly keep it for "General messages" as that maybe can be assumed to use English.
(Note, there are words in English that are bad words in other languages, so it is almost impossible to do an automatic bad-word notifier.)
When playing the friends, and chatting in Swedish, it is kind of frustrating to get this warning quite a lot. I mean "end" (but in Swedish) is quite common to use in a chat.
So I think turning of moderation in chats with friends is a good idea, and is quite easy to implement.<
I also think moderation in games chat really could be turned of. If someone is misbehaving, use report system instead. Possibly keep it for "General messages" as that maybe can be assumed to use English.
(Note, there are words in English that are bad words in other languages, so it is almost impossible to do an automatic bad-word notifier.)
2024년 10월 20일 10:43 • LHCper • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
"Lust" works in Swedish, as in "Har du lust att spela ett parti till?"
As in "Do you like to play another game as well?"
And if you and "then this game ends" it will be "när detta partiet tar slut".
The threads give quite a lot of other examples, from German, French, Romanian, Luxemburgian, etc.
If BGA wants to be an international site, then they should remove this word filtering.
As in "Do you like to play another game as well?"
And if you and "then this game ends" it will be "när detta partiet tar slut".
The threads give quite a lot of other examples, from German, French, Romanian, Luxemburgian, etc.
If BGA wants to be an international site, then they should remove this word filtering.
2024년 12월 22일 17:11 • NullAhnung • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
I find it annoying to be constantly warned just because I use a sentence that is completely inoffensive in German, like "Do you feel like playing another game" (Hast du Lust auf ein weiteres Spiel), there is nothing wrong with this sentence.
By the way, what is the use of the possibility to make posts here, when none of the BGA responsibles seems to take care of it?
By the way, what is the use of the possibility to make posts here, when none of the BGA responsibles seems to take care of it?
2025년 1월 5일 5:48 • oeconormal • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
This is the civilization wide problem with political correctness, censorship and 'discommunication'. In an advanced society and culture (many believe we have) the first to do is to discuss offensive behaviour and bad language in the very conversation. It might be misunderstanding or foreign language error or what ever.
This is the an international site. So most communication is not in mother language. Language culture is different between countries even if they speak the same language, even among dialects in Deutschland, even among groups, even among individuals.
In a game with Españoles and Suramericanos I said "Sois tan malos". I checked "Ihr seid so gemein." with a professional translation program. In Deutsch this is something children say, so grown-ups would certainly never take it serious. I'd translate it "You are so mean", but I don't know if that's considered offensive in all, some or no english speaking countries. And I will not learn until someone tells me. The system warned me, though it didn't seem like the other players cared at all.
I once said to a girl: "Schicker Kitt(e)l" because she was wearing a totally chic jumper. She was deeply offended. While in schwäbisch dialect "Kittl" can be about just any top, in her dialect this is something only cleaning women and house wives used to wear to protect the underneath from the dirt their work commonly goes along with.
In Deutsch "behindert" was always the common word for "handicapped". Now they're trying to make up all kinds of fancy, complicated replacing terms, because some people used "behindert" in an offensive way. I am handicapped and to me "behindert" ist the perfect word, because my disability actually limits, hinders, reduces (as it could be translated) my possibilities permanently. In english the word used to be "retarded". In España today you say "minusvalido" which would have to be translated "inferior", "worth less", "less valid"... that sounds even inhumane. But I think España must be one of the leading countries in inclusion and making public buildings and structures barrier free.
There are countless more examples. It is the words but not the words.
The rule here should be that if someone feels offended or so he tells it to the person he's talking with. We don't need automatic punishments. They lead to numbness, the silly ones make it rediculous and not taken serious anymore. We need to allow us to teach each other to UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER.
@NullAhnung: The problem is, that in forum structures like this with a unordered suit of comments, such problems cannot be worked on (efficiently or at all) . By the way your nick could be read as an insult.
This is the an international site. So most communication is not in mother language. Language culture is different between countries even if they speak the same language, even among dialects in Deutschland, even among groups, even among individuals.
In a game with Españoles and Suramericanos I said "Sois tan malos". I checked "Ihr seid so gemein." with a professional translation program. In Deutsch this is something children say, so grown-ups would certainly never take it serious. I'd translate it "You are so mean", but I don't know if that's considered offensive in all, some or no english speaking countries. And I will not learn until someone tells me. The system warned me, though it didn't seem like the other players cared at all.
I once said to a girl: "Schicker Kitt(e)l" because she was wearing a totally chic jumper. She was deeply offended. While in schwäbisch dialect "Kittl" can be about just any top, in her dialect this is something only cleaning women and house wives used to wear to protect the underneath from the dirt their work commonly goes along with.
In Deutsch "behindert" was always the common word for "handicapped". Now they're trying to make up all kinds of fancy, complicated replacing terms, because some people used "behindert" in an offensive way. I am handicapped and to me "behindert" ist the perfect word, because my disability actually limits, hinders, reduces (as it could be translated) my possibilities permanently. In english the word used to be "retarded". In España today you say "minusvalido" which would have to be translated "inferior", "worth less", "less valid"... that sounds even inhumane. But I think España must be one of the leading countries in inclusion and making public buildings and structures barrier free.
There are countless more examples. It is the words but not the words.
The rule here should be that if someone feels offended or so he tells it to the person he's talking with. We don't need automatic punishments. They lead to numbness, the silly ones make it rediculous and not taken serious anymore. We need to allow us to teach each other to UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER.
@NullAhnung: The problem is, that in forum structures like this with a unordered suit of comments, such problems cannot be worked on (efficiently or at all) . By the way your nick could be read as an insult.
2025년 1월 16일 14:07 • LukeDan • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:
Just too add, I know the site is mostly alligned towards an American userbase, but I find it amusing that is my language gets highlighted every time I say I am going to have a fag, aka a cigarette. I know there is no easy way around this.
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