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2018년 Oct 25일 17:28 • Zebullon • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

All team games

2019년 Oct 30일 19:06 • Robo65 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

It's totally wrong to show the result as a tie. The team has won, so the platform should report the result as a win (unless the team scores tie, of course :) )

2020년 Jul 31일 15:36 • Romain672 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Wanted to report the same bug.
Just played a game with 161/104/35 elo in my team, and 1 elo in the ennemy team.
We won, and I gained: +5.7, -4.3, -1.74, which is negative. The system put that to 0, but that's still not enough. I should have won +5.7.

2020년 Aug 19일 03:57 • ParadoxicallyAiriest • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

I had 162 and played with 79 and 40. We won, but I lost 8 points, and they did not even gain any! Maybe this is why high rank players don't want to play with low rank players: even if the game is won, they will lose hard earned points! This is bad, we should encourage experienced players to play with new players, and help to teach them like I did. But this will not happen if the games take away their points like this.

boardgamearena.com/5/hanabi?table=107647644

2020년 Oct 5일 02:06 • R o d n e y • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

The ELO calculation for teams is wrong for all BGA games. In all team games on BGA, the partners tie. So, whether you win or lose, the higher ranked partner is always penalized, and the lower ranked partner is always rewarded. The ELO is supposed to be a reflection of how well a person plays, not their skill in choosing partners.

imgur.com/a/n8ldvnS

In the above game, you can see that the lower ranked partner receives an extra 9.48 points for tying his partner, while his partner loses -9.48 points. Despite both players winning the game.

On the losing team, the lower ranked partner gains 3.51 points for tying his partner, while the higher ranked partner loses an additional -3.86 points, despite both players losing the game.

2020년 Oct 5일 08:38 • Pollyor • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

I think this needs to be updated also but the link will not let me like it. And yeah the game should not be a tie either it's a win for the team not a tie. I think it's great to have new players join in games but you should not be over penalised because of it.

2020년 Oct 5일 17:07 • firefly246 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

PLEASE FIX THIS!

2020년 Oct 5일 23:48 • ElrikMelny • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

C’est vrai que dans un jeu comme la belote, il semblerait logique que les deux partenaires obtiennent la même perte ou le même gain. A moins que je n’ai pas bien compris le principe du Elo. En tout cas merci aux équipes pour le plaisir que nous avons :) à jouer à tout moment et sur n’importe quel support, c’est magique.

2020년 Oct 6일 13:25 • kingneal • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

please fix this

2020년 Oct 7일 15:03 • haxe8830 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

come on~

2020년 Oct 7일 20:25 • GoldenGuy82 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

please fix

2020년 Oct 7일 22:03 • AYoshiVader • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

All team games have problems like this and it ruins the experiece to some high ranked players.

2020년 Oct 7일 22:32 • NoLuckAndNoSkill • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

This error still seems to be present

2020년 Oct 7일 23:02 • Jokerrz0r • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

The error is still, also for Klaverjassen

2020년 Oct 7일 23:26 • Viaken • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

I didn't intend to vote for this. "R O D N E Y" spammed a bunch of my tables with a URL that auto-voted it. I don't particularly care about this "bug".

2020년 Oct 8일 07:39 • wolmot • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Indeed an issue, also received bug report specific on Klaverjassen that winning team is considered a tie.

2020년 Oct 8일 12:59 • aleman • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Please fix, otherwise people will not like to play team games.

2020년 Oct 9일 08:06 • er_mondezz • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

same problem for Armadora....

2020년 Oct 12일 22:48 • board game nerd • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

The ELO calculation is wrong for all teams games on BGA. Win or lose, one partner is penalized, and the other benefits. The bug was reported over 2 years ago, and hasn't been fixed. Will you please vote to fix this bug? And if possible, leave a comment. /bug?id=11297&vote got this wile playing sasntorine

2020년 Oct 12일 23:04 • BoB Special • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Issue exists for years now. Goes for all team games. I love bga, but i think this is the worst error in the system. It really takes away the fun from team games

Please fix asap!!!

2020년 Oct 12일 23:07 • BoB Special • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

This is not a game issue, but a rating issue. Seems really easy to solve - computer scientist myself :)

Think it's a quickwin

2020년 Oct 12일 23:19 • board game nerd • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

didn't yet finish the game

2020년 Oct 16일 07:44 • kllll • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Bug has not been reproduced by developers yet:
All team games

2020년 Nov 9일 08:18 • MikeFR78 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Ok

2020년 Nov 9일 08:59 • Cenine • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Same issue with HANABI : the players have ties wether we finish or lose.

2020년 Nov 9일 21:27 • ReneSauz • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

ITS NOT A BUG...its an intentional and silly programming error. In team games just don't add or subtract ELO for the partner. There has to be an easy way to implement this instead of ignoring it.

2020년 Dec 30일 16:49 • mickalot • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

This seems to be especially bad for cooperative games -- it makes it impossible to get enough points to be eligible for arena mode.

2021년 Jan 17일 15:22 • fanfannord • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Serveur injoignable

2021년 Jan 20일 12:24 • Tussengas • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

also, you don't get your 5 gift points for these games

2021년 Jan 26일 16:13 • ptitours de lyon • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

In a team game , the two parteners are considered as "equality" and if you play whit a novice , you lose point because of probality of win, against a partener , which is impossible.

in first correction, you may suppress these points of equality

in second correction, you should calculate probapility of win by team, for example by compare the sum of ELO

2021년 Feb 15일 22:06 • unclesamb • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

To summarize the requests as I read them:

1. In a cooperative game in which all players win or lose together (e.g. The Crew, Hanabi, Bandido, etc), the ELO gains/losses should be calculated based on whether the group as a whole won or lost ("tie" should not be an option). Then the ELO gains/losses for each player should take into account the experience of each individual player.

2. In a team game (e.g. Kami), the ELO gains/losses for all members of a team should be based on whether the team as a whole won or lost ("tie" should not be an option). Then the ELO gain/losses for each player on each team should take into account the experience of each individual player.

In team or cooperative games, there should be no ties--there should only be winners and losers, and points should be awarded accordingly.

2021년 Apr 19일 00:34 • Silene • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

More relevant than ever now with Tichu in Beta.

2021년 May 3일 12:10 • JSnova • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

as for hanabi, based on a game theory study on hanabi, only 82% of the games are winnable (max score), based on the most known tricks, finesse, reverse finesse, gentelman discard, bluff etc.

At the moment, you get punished if you play with lower elo players, instead of rewarded.

Also how higher the difficulcy specially multi 5, reduces the max. win chance.

this is not corrected within the current elo system

also all people agreeing to leave, should result in a default pushingment or only be aloud 1 time in the 4-5 games or so.

2021년 May 4일 18:46 • Just Keep Climbing • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

same bug in spades

2021년 May 30일 00:52 • BrenBarn • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

It's frustrating that this issue still exists, as it makes ratings kind of meaningless for team games.

The problem is this: ELO is based on rating two players who COMPETE AGAINST one another. Currently, BGA considers any two players in the same game to be competing, and adjusts their ELO based on their relative standing. Two players on the same team are considered to be tied.

But this is wrong. Two players on the same team do not COMPETE AGAINST one another at all. So pairs of players on the same team should simply be ignored for ELO calculations.

BGA already computes the overall ELO adjustment by adding up the ELO adjustments for each pair of players. For instance, in a non-team 5-player game, if you come in third place, your overall ELO is adjusted based on the ELO effect of losing to the two players above you and losing to the two below you. This is all fine.

All that needs to be done is to exclude PAIRS of players on the same team from these computations. If players A and B are on the same team, their ELO standings relative to one another should not even be considered, as they were never in competition. Player A did not win AGAINST player B, nor did player A lose AGAINST player B, not did player A tie AGAINST player B. There was simply no game "between" these two players, so the ELO rating should reflect that and not compare them in any way. They should gain or lose ELO points only by comparison with players on other teams.

2021년 Jun 7일 18:25 • xjk_cn • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

boardgamearena.com/table?table=178503292

Losing ELO even if I did my best in yokai. Maybe I need to try level 2 with high Elo players?

2021년 Jun 19일 00:00 • alextingle • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Just to add to this. ELO isn't just about bragging rights, it helps to arrange games between players of approximately equal skill.

A "Not Alone" game can be completely ruined by a single inexperienced player who makes bad moves. The ELO system makes it impossible to identify those poor players. It's made even worse by the "bonus" K-factor that new players get... a couple of lucky wins can propel a new player to ELO of 150..200, which is pretty high for Not Alone. So they *look* experienced, even if they have no idea how to play.

It discourages me from playing the game at all. I often have time for one game, including waiting for 20 minutes - it's pretty frustrating to have it ruined by a weak player who makes multiple unforced errors. I'd rather play a different game where I know I'll have some fun...

2021년 Jul 25일 14:30 • Ax109 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

I have not experienced this with the game Pandemic, but this might be because this is a game you don't play 'against' anyone, or the fact I play with low-ranked players.

2021년 Jul 30일 19:16 • Jellby • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

As far as I understand it, Hanabi gets it "right":

* All players win or lose together.
* The ELO change is calculated based on the average ELO of all the players and a "difficulty" level depending on the settings.
* All players gain or lose the same ELO (except possible differences from rounding and possibly k-factors).

I believe other cooperative games should use the same scheme, although deciding what the "difficulty" level is not trivial and may need adjustments. Hopefully that can be more easily done one a decent amount of finished games is available.

For other team games, it would be even easier: compare the average ELO of each team, and have each member of the team gain or lose the same amount.

2021년 Jul 31일 12:18 • joueur ooo • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Je n’ai pas pu cliquer pour valider mes choix au cours d’une partie.
Cela ne vient pas de mon appareil c’est arrivé A deux parties d’affilée sur votre site.

2021년 Aug 11일 03:36 • Pumpkinthekingofgame • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

競技場即時制有時會搜尋不到對手，導致等很久
即便按了取消且關掉BGA網站
仍然進入了一場桌子，且沒有確認玩家是否還在場就開始遊戲
玩家已將網站關閉且人不在現場
仍然讓玩家進入桌子
就領到了超時以及離場
:(

2021년 Aug 26일 14:30 • PANPAN_ww • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

ELO problem~

2021년 Oct 25일 13:19 • Joseph2302 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

We shouldn't be using the standard win/loss against people ELO for co-operative or team games (like Ticu, which is 2v2). Because you can do well/win and still lose rating because you "tied" against someone with lower rating than you

For team games, needs to ignore people that were on your team
For co-operative games, needs a benchmark for good/winning score, and work out the ELOs based on how close you got to that score

2021년 Nov 8일 03:16 • Maester_RJ • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

A pagina fica carregando e não entra oponentes, mesmo recarregando, já alguns dias vem ocorrendo esse problema para mim. Por qual motivo, eu iria deixar um jogo, se, eu entro aqui, para jogar?

2021년 Nov 22일 17:57 • Skeptic Dave • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Coop games like Tranquility definitely suffer from this broken system. To date,I've played > 90 games of Tranquility, winning > 60 of them, yet . . . my ELO is 64! Many times, I gain zero ELO points even when playing with a similarly-ELOd partner and while winning solidly on medium difficult settings.

As others have stated, the ELOs are meaningless when trying to decide whether to play games with others. I've had other people in Tranquility games with ELOs > 100 who clearly do not understand basic gameplay concepts. I enjoy the game tremendously, but would prefer not to have to teach it while playing (most of the time.) The current ELOs make that impossible to know ahead of time.

This may not be a "bug" in the normal sense, but the end result is no different.

2021년 Nov 24일 10:54 • Philoupino • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Could you include alos the game Klaverjassen
boardgamearena.com/gamepanel?game=klaverjassen

Like belote, there are always 2 Winners & 2 Loosers.

2021년 Dec 30일 06:59 • youngathearttx • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

In Tichu, if my partner calls Tichu or Grand Tichu, and I support his call with my play, so he can go out first, why should I receive less ELO than my winning team partner ??

2022년 Feb 4일 07:09 • Kanan Jarrus • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Impossible de quitter la partie hier alors qu'elle était finie. J'ai essayé de concéder la victoire puis j'ai dû quitter. Le bug est connu apparemment
Cordialement

2022년 Feb 11일 16:24 • Romain672 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

To try to find a solution, I find this reddit subject: www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/fdz879/using_elo_to_rank_players_in_1v1_and_2v2_game/ , but there isn't much things about it.

It look like not counting the partner tie is usually done, but it's still not a solution which resolve all problems (every top elo would want to play with new players, but which are good).

2022년 Feb 11일 16:25 • Romain672 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

And they said to just take the average elo of both teams.

2022년 Feb 24일 21:12 • Shiny_Charizard • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Similar for BANG, the winner ELO should only be compared against the loser ELO and the loser ELO against the winner ELO. Ties amongst team members are just simply wrong.

Average ELO for the entire team also makes sense

2022년 Apr 5일 00:25 • ptitours de lyon • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

You should realy look up this ticket. Or create a "don't look up" team

2022년 Apr 20일 06:03 • JustinGames00 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

I just lost 27 ELO points for a cooperative game of Hanabi. My dad is new to the game, and I used a normal mode to help him gain some points. I pretty much only play with friends, so ELO doesn't matter much to me, but I'd like to be able to hop on a game with a random opponent every now and then. It would be nice if ELO was a reasonable estimation of someone's skill in the game rather than a random number based on whether you play with people better or worse than you often. If you're not going to implement it well, just drop the ELO ranking for coop games.

2022년 May 3일 18:08 • lordmcfuzz • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

4 years later... not even acknowledged.

2022년 May 30일 04:28 • BillyBullet • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

I can't report anything, always the error message. what is the tech support link??? how can they want someone to be a paying user with a site with bad technical support?

2022년 May 30일 04:28 • BillyBullet • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

I can't report anything, always the error message. what is the tech support link??? how can they want someone to be a paying user with a site with bad technical support?

2022년 Aug 22일 14:41 • Juxta13 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

ELO does seem broken. Players should never lose points for a win (including a tie, including if someone left the game and the others are considered winners). It just encourages people to be more selective (discriminative) about who they will play with. In team/partner games, someone always gets hurt.

2022년 Sep 1일 07:57 • strufle • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Exclu dans les temps au cour d'une partie avec la n long temps dans les tours

2022년 Sep 5일 12:13 • tycy • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Yes

2022년 Sep 5일 12:14 • tycy • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

We can get a new one for bag

2022년 Sep 6일 09:14 • leGrosJej • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Still broken

2022년 Oct 16일 18:57 • 81Valerii • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Quand je joue sur le site, ça coupe, plus d'internet.
Je me retrouve déconnecté du jeu, d'un coup.
Je ne peux rien faire, en plein milieu de la partie.
Cela mais arrivé plusieurs fois.
Ça ne m'arrive que sur ce site.
Je suis pénalisé alors que se n'est pas ma faute.
Cordialement.

2022년 Dec 26일 20:06 • EleaTyrell • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

I also encountered this unpleasantness, in a game of warchest in 2 vs 2 players; I simply don't want to play in team mode any more...

2022년 Dec 29일 23:39 • yaron • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Points awarded/deducted should be based on the average score of each team.
That way, a low ranked player would get more points for winning, but so would their partner (since winning with a weak partner is harder).

2023년 Jan 2일 11:23 • Onitama Königin Jo • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Yes,it often happens that someone has a Partner with who he plays often. The name of the player is Sussuarana Onitama. He plays a lot against beginners and have some second accounts. If he lost against the players who are probably his second accounts,the players gave the game with him up or let him win.And this problem was often in the past and sometimes Sussuarana Onitama does it do today also.

2023년 Jan 19일 03:16 • ThoughtPolice84 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Please fix this

2023년 Mar 13일 21:22 • Clé de 12 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Please fin it !

2023년 Jun 6일 08:13 • fishdapotato • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

i played with other 3 players. they have higher ELO than me. At last, one win and we other 3 is first-runner (all same marks). Yet, turn out they reduce 6 and 7 ELO while deducted me 18 ELO. (their ELO is ordinary higher than me already)

2023년 Jul 20일 15:27 • Hagardunor • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Completely agree. ELO system has been built for a face to face game (Chess) and is totaly inadequate for team games

2023년 Aug 11일 20:24 • zellaaa • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

fix this !!!

2023년 Aug 15일 10:43 • Malo77 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

My 2 cents about what a good Score system could be, and looks like ELO:

ELO System for all team games and/or collab games:

Maybee a system like:
- at avery game start: every player bet 1% of his ELO point into the game pot
- if the game is lost the points are lost (and BGA "keeps" thems)
- if the game is won: take the pot point x RATIO, split and and give them back to the winning players.
- the RATIO is automatically adjusted by BGA ... if the stats show that an hanabi game is won 33% of the time .. 1 time over 3 ... the RATIO multiplier would be x2 (3 games-1win=2x) .. either each players gets back his points x2 .. or split them another way ...
- this way the total ELO points of players is about the same, without points growing without limit

2023년 Aug 28일 22:23 • Hagardunor • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

this demand was opened 4 years ago and nothing has appened since then des pitehundreds of signatures

2023년 Oct 13일 18:14 • tcarlaw • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Ideally, ELO ratings should be calculated based on the lowest ELO ranking from each partnership. It would motivate people to play with lower-ranked players, instead of penalizing people for being social. The partner matching algorithm could be tweaked to prevent gaming the system. Still, it would allow people to find matches in less popular games and take the pressure off low-ranked players who may worry about hurting their partner's ELO rating. I felt a little bit like a kingmaker when my ranking tanked close to the end of the Arena season knowing higher ranked players would take a big hit for being paired with me, which would be hard to avoid in a small game community.

2023년 Nov 30일 19:55 • ChiefPointThief • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

5yrs and counting

2023년 Dec 14일 10:27 • ufm • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

This has been fixed now :D

2023년 Dec 14일 13:39 • penguin-EM • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Not playing the game but reducing ELO592→552 for no reason

2023년 Dec 16일 21:03 • RicardoRix • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

The bug has been fixed.

But it still exists for games where someone quits or is time expelled.
ELO is exchanged between all players that didn't quit. NOT RIGHT!

2023년 Dec 22일 11:36 • ptitours de lyon • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

The bug is not fixed in Belote

in first correction, you may suppress points of equality between partners

in second correction, you should calculate probapility of win by team, for example by compare the sum of ELO from team

2024년 Feb 21일 22:49 • ErikLevin • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

I'm not sure why people are saying this is fixed. Was it fixed very briefly and then broken again? I still see in team games, every time, that members within the teams exchange Elo points with one another for being tied.

Also, I don't think any complicated solutions are necessary. It is very simple: Players within the same team should not exchange Elo points with one another. Just remove team members from the calculation.

This seems like an easy fix for an obvious flaw, which has a very high demand from the user base (fourth highest voted bug/suggestion). It is very unfortunate that BGA did not roll an improvement in with the recent changes to the Elo system. You'd think that when you rework a site feature like Elo you take the chance to fix some longstanding issues with that feature while you're there. Let alone that BGA hasn't even responded or acknowledged the ticket.

2024년 Jul 17일 06:04 • Camargo_Silva • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

The bug is not fixed in Belote

2024년 Jul 26일 17:07 • Mit55 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Bonjour, depuis ce jour je ne parviens pas à jouer correctement alors que je suis bien connecté, j'ai donc été pénalisé à plusieurs reprises alors qu'il n' y a pas lieu!
joueur Mit 55

2024년 Oct 12일 04:39 • w41k3r13 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

This is not a bug, but simply a reminder that BGA does not care about it's players. It's crucial to understand their business model, you see, the consumer is the company that needs people to play their game, the product is you. A broken ELO system in single and Multi-player is the drug that keeps you around for the abuse. If BGA actually cared about the players, ELO would never have been applied to... and this is the truly crazy thing...

BOARD GAMES

2024년 Nov 3일 00:34 • suaraujo • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

O bug tá rinscidente

2024년 Nov 3일 00:35 • suaraujo • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Preciso de ajuda

2024년 Nov 15일 16:21 • Hisoka_Onnanoko • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Bonjour, depuis ce jour je ne parviens pas à jouer correctement alors que je suis bien connecté, j'ai donc été pénalisé à plusieurs reprises alors qu'il n' y a pas lieu!

2024년 Dec 6일 22:11 • Handsome the first • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

The same thing should applies for when the time runs out for one of the player, every other player should only win against the quitter to count towards the ELO and not also calculate the tie amongst themselves.

2024년 Dec 7일 21:47 • EcoRim2017 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Bug... to me showed other player was out of time

2025년 Jan 20일 14:20 • BurgerDragon • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

To address this, I suggest a system where
1. each player contributes some ELO (with higher ELO players contributing more) before the match begins, and
2. the total ELO is distributed equally among the winners.

2025년 Feb 8일 05:08 • mnemonicker • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Your ELO calculation doesn't make sense in most of the games. You are using too high K factor. It is like 60, 40, 20. It should be like 40, 20, 10.

2025년 Apr 14일 02:57 • nalka • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Some changes have been made to the system since this bug has been reported. From what I see this is fixed in some games (like Coinche) but not all (for example, you still have this problem in Setup, Toc, Warchest...). I couldn't figure what this is based on but feel free to share if you know.

It looks like there is a second system that has been implemented to help fight this problem. I don't really understand its point given a clean solution apparently exists (cf. Coinche) but it seems to prevent elo losses for players that are declared "Winner" at the end of a game. For example, it triggered in these games:

• boardgamearena.com/table?table=657971566 (2 players, perfectly tied)
• boardgamearena.com/table?table=658333650 (3 players, first 2 are perfectly tied, the other one just lost).

The thing is Living Forest is NOT a team game. This means a higher elo player tying a lower elo one doesn't lose elo while they should. To summarize, this second system not only doesn't really fix anything for team games but it also bugs some solo games' elo calculation when there are ties.

2025년 Apr 14일 10:09 • Phoxtrot • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Probably related to this is, the "losers_not_ranked" option that is notably bugged and not doing what would actually make sense.
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=161683
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111442

2025년 May 15일 08:49 • Arzololi • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Le système ne fonctionne pas et il est impossible de jouer...je sors pour rentrer à nouveau et ça bloque la page BGA ne s'ouvre plus
C'est régulier ces dernieres semaines et je suis ensuite pénalisée.

2025년 Oct 15일 11:57 • sartoni • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

je n ai meme pas cliquer pour accepter la partie

2025년 Oct 22일 12:18 • luke_asz • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

PANDEMIC also suffers from disabled ELO system. First of all its hard to see what score points there since it's hidden and second - Its simply disappointing because it is still tracked in rank evolution and occasionally you can see your ELO when hoovering over your rank icon so why not make it visible for players who would like to have extra challenge trying to reach higher rank? It also seems there aren't even badges for reaching a rank in this specific game? I did not get the "regular player" badge after reaching 100 ELO. I fail to see the reason behind it :(

2025년 Nov 6일 08:04 • Hagardunor • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

I do agree with that

"29 Dec 2022 23:39 • yaron • Le bug n'a pas encore été reproduit par les développeurs:
Points awarded/deducted should be based on the average score of each team.
That way, a low ranked player would get more points for winning, but so would their partner (since winning with a weak partner is harder)."

2025년 Nov 28일 21:47 • Renataci • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

error

2025년 Nov 29일 13:44 • dazzling-turtle99 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

새로고침을 해도 문제가 해결되지않았습니다

2025년 Nov 29일 16:22 • Alligator 427 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Bug sur les deux dernières parties : une partie où je ne pouvais plus jouer et j'ai perdu pour temps dépassé.
Une partie devenue en temps alors que c'était une partie Arène

2026년 Jan 16일 16:52 • ryanleonard • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Warchest 2 vs 2 players results are so confusing -- "Oh a Tie? Crazy! How can that even happen!" and then click in to see that of course there was not a tie (I don't know if you can even end in a tie in Warchest...? right?)

2026년 Jan 16일 18:05 • Phoxtrot • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

We basically have the same problem when someone is ejected from a game (/leaves) and remaining people are all considered as tied.

Suppose player C at 200 elo is ejected and remaining players are A at 150 ELO and B at 250 elo. We should have A that wins ELO points for winning at 150 elo against 200 and B for winning at 250 elo against 200.
What we have instead is A winning elo for the 150 to 200 win and some extra for the 150 to 250 tie whereas B wins some for the 250 to 200 win but loses some for the 250 to 150 tie.

They have put a special rule that you cannot lose ELO in such a game if your are not the ejected one but that is not a proper solution, it just reduces the problem for the most egregious cases. (As a side note, it potentially adds ELO to the total ELO pool as the net effect of that extra special "minimum +0" rule is not compensated by an ELO loss form someone else)

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For teams game, the easiest solution is to not compare players of the same team.
There are more complex more just solutions so that players teamed with a better player don't have an advantage in terms of expected elo gains.

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Note:
contrarily to what is stated in a comment somewhere above, the problem still exists for teams.
Example: 2v2 innovation game # 773270462

2026년 Jan 17일 12:09 • HostileHurricane • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Estando en el juego catan, paso un error y no podía ni mover ni hacer nada, luego se vio que era un error de pagina

2026년 Jan 18일 07:52 • Vero_Snow • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

+++

2026년 Feb 1일 14:16 • nataly600 • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

tout fonctionnait plus

2026년 Feb 19일 13:25 • JMOX • 개발자가 아직 버그를 재현하지 않았습니다:

Gosto muito do BGA, mas vocês não sabem dar a pontuação. Se o cara tem os pontos ELO altos ele não tem motivação nenhuma para jogar porque se ele perdem tiram pontos pra caramba e se ele ganha só alguns pontos são computados. Pô, é um critério de pontuação burro. Tem que estabelecer pontos fixos para primeiro, segundo e terceiro nas partidas. Dane-se se os outros têm pouca pontuação. Eles que ganhem pontos para chegar alto. Agora dar pontos para um cara que fica em quarto lugar em um jogo e tirar pontos de um cara que no mesmo jogo ficou em segundo só porque a pontuação ELO dele é maior é sacanagem. Não dá nem vontade de jogar mais. E pelo fórum aí acima dá pra ver que a galera está bem insatisfeita com vocês na pontuação. Escuta a comunidade e deixa de colocar essa mecânica estúpida de vocês de pontuação. Vocês não sabem premiar quem merece nos jogos.

#11297: "Implemented ELO ranking system not adequate for team games (Belote)"

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